if you ever felt that you really did love god, but no matter what you did, ended up on the outs with your family and with the watchtower anyway..... these words have comforted me.. .
66. thus saith the lord, the heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me?
and where is the place of my rest?
BD
How someone can go from JWism to Atheism ?
If you ask a believer (like me - never JW) I think the jump is way smaller than you might realize. The WT makes its living discrediting every other way for a human being to have any spiritual connection with anything other than thru them.
And they'll stop at nothing - misquotes, lying by omission - "there is no PLACE else to go". Even that scripture is buggered in the KH.
wp
if you ever felt that you really did love god, but no matter what you did, ended up on the outs with your family and with the watchtower anyway..... these words have comforted me.. .
66. thus saith the lord, the heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me?
and where is the place of my rest?
Brotherdan:
it is interesting to me when unbelievers get mad for being called unbelievers. Just accept the fact. If you don't believe in the God of the Bible, then you are an unbeliever in regards to the God of the Bible
something you might be missing about "unbelievers" is that there are MANY christians (or believers in general) that don't tote the WT version of god or god of the bible or the bible or anyting UNIQUE to JWs!!. When we are called unbelievers/unchristian/false/etc ad nauseum it is very insulting.
me being one of them LOL
wp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mks-u0q467u .
i think the wts has met their match.
i'd like to see what the jw's would says about this.
very scary - different packaging - same on the inside
education is the cure
my mother-in-law is making leaps and bounds in her progress to get out of the watchtower.
for those of you that don't know, she is df'd but has been working on "coming back".
recently i've been able to exchange emails about the dangers of the organization and share jesus with her.
judge not lest ye be judged?
more evidence men run the show and I mean show in the full sense of the word.
wow - how rude.
confuzzled - I agree -
i'll keep it short.. you're no doubt aware of the 'if the gb say something that seems odd, just go along with it' thing.
and the 'do as the gb tell you!
dont doubt the gb!
Where even the players have been playing themselves.
exactly.
It would be pretty easy for them to "close the ark" then say that evidently Armageddon has happenedinvisibly and now "The Great Tribulation" can begin!
Those that were in the ark when this all happened will now have the extremely important work of checking with every land to gather those that have changed their mind.
no call to invite me to a committee meeting...no notification of deciding i should be df'd....no telling my jw wife of the announcement...not a chance to appeal what i did not even know what was going on...my mini-serve son is devasted....he even researched it....told me to go to page 153-154 of the od book...never heard of it but it is a green hardback given to all who are to be baptized.
wow...the elders broke every rule in this book as to my case.... i have no respect for these men that can take away your jw family without even telling you they are going to.
my jw son has now begged me to meet with my committee...even though there is prob zero chance they can reverse the decision...that chance is from when they let you know...and you have to appeal by letter within 7 days (i cant make this stuff up!!
pistoff - we were thinking the same thing! I agree
and WHAT do you have to lose?
another point is - you'd get people talking to you again just so that they can deny the shunning thing - cuz it's freeking embarrassing eh?
wp
no call to invite me to a committee meeting...no notification of deciding i should be df'd....no telling my jw wife of the announcement...not a chance to appeal what i did not even know what was going on...my mini-serve son is devasted....he even researched it....told me to go to page 153-154 of the od book...never heard of it but it is a green hardback given to all who are to be baptized.
wow...the elders broke every rule in this book as to my case.... i have no respect for these men that can take away your jw family without even telling you they are going to.
my jw son has now begged me to meet with my committee...even though there is prob zero chance they can reverse the decision...that chance is from when they let you know...and you have to appeal by letter within 7 days (i cant make this stuff up!!
ooompa
sorry about what you are going thru and esp. the accident.
If it were me, I'd be going to the papers, magazines, goldhawk, and a lawyer with your story & the july awake mag. The one that says its not right for families to treat you any different for changing your religion i.e. beliefs. and that any religion that does must be false.!
let the public see how 2-faced they are with the df/diss policy especially when it comes to "we don't do anything if someone gets blood - it's their descision" blah blah blah
It's just plain RUDE.
EVEN if they've been just looking for an excuse to get rid of you SO WHAT! AGAIN thats not right! You wouldn't catch an "atheist" treating his fellow man this way.
NORMAL people need to hear stories like this, especially when it comes time to renew the old tax exemption status. grrr
Can't a guy just BE?
ok rant over
for now
hey there everyone!.
i've been in a discussion with a few ex-jws about how to properly "move on" from being a jw.
they are saying that to truly "move on" it means you leave it totally behind you and stop dwelling/talking about being a jw.
This is a good idea.
for those who leave and for whatever reason never discuss doubts, their experiences, etc.
or do not discover the deceptive indocrination practices of the WT, they are still vulnerable to future entrapment
and emotional blackmail.
wp
recently two teenage girls in texas where kill by their father it has been reported as a honor killing.
do you think disfellowshipping can be elevated to the level of honor killings?.
special focus: islam.
Writetoknow - love that name!
I believe the parallels between physical stoning and shunning as a result of df'g are similar and striking.
The mob mentality is easy to get caught up in. For a conscience, there is safety in numbers.
However, making a personal decision to treat another as dead - by choice or org. enforced - is still YOU killing that person in your mind.
If you need the bible to back up this "killing" for you - what do you do with a book that also quotes the opposite? Do you still worship every word as if from god? Shut off the brain and do as your told? Close off your heart and follow the masses? Let fear (read selfishness) push you to cause emotional harm on another. - I say selfishness because to go against the directives of the shunning policy puts yourself in jeopardy.
Disfellowshipping is a company rule - sure go ahead decide your membership, but shunning is a different game. It is cruel, humiliating, judgemental, and emotional blackmail - that kills the spirit - on both sides.
The story of the stoning of soraya is very powerful. I wish every shunner would watch this.
http://muslimahmediawatch.org/2010/05/the-stoning-of-soraya-m-a-review/
I hate shunning - can you tell?
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my 2ยข / wp
my wife and i had dinner with a pioneer couple last night that we've been friends with for a long time.
they are both nice people, with the wife having a few dashes of pretentiousness mixed in.. usually when we are together, they always talk about pioneering, which makes some sense as it's the primary focus of thier lives.
however, it has gotten progressively more dominate in conversation over the last couple of years, to the point of being annoying.
Maybe they are desparately looking for someone to say " why don't you sleep in and baked those cookies "
and to make the cookies guilt free why not take them to an old age home, or a shelter or .... so many more places would welcome cookies before a magazine
wp
